作者: sampsonlu919 (湖人最該自盡的人:顆比) 看板: NBA
標題: [外絮] Nash加盟暴龍的可能性越來越高
時間: Mon Jun 25 23:25:39 2012
Nash To Raptors Rumors Gaining Momentum
http://goo.gl/ICjV1
Via FOXSportsArizona.com/Randy Hill
Numerous reports have indicated that Steve Nash is strongly considering
signing with the Raptors.
近來很多媒體的報導,都指出Steve Nash現在正強烈地考慮與暴龍簽約。
Several NBA personnel executives have confirmed the rumors may have real
traction.
就連不少聯盟相關高層,都坦承這謠言有可能成真。
"I've been hearing that from people that would know," said one Western
Conference executive. "The Raptors may not be ready to win right away, but
with (Andrea) Bargnani, (DeMar) DeRozan and maybe (Jonas) Valanciunas coming
over next season, they could be pretty decent right away with Nash. And they
could have enough cap space to get something done there."
「很多我認為應該注意此消息的人都知道了」,一位西區球隊高層表示:「暴龍也許
還沒準備好用正確的方式贏球,但有了Bargnani、DeRozan,加上可能不久就會加盟
的Valanciunas,他們不但都能與Nash有不錯的搭配,而且暴龍球團還能保留薪資
空間去簽下其他不錯的球員。」
Nash is set to become an unrestricted free agent for the first time since
2004.
今年暑假將會是Nash自2004年以後,第一次變成自由球員。
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心得:我們都知道Nash在考慮暑假的球隊時,
重點不是能否拿冠軍,而是能否讓他快樂地打球。
而現在在Nash的心目中,暴龍比起太陽似乎更能讓Nash保有愉悅感,
這是否意味著太陽老闆應該對自己的經營方式,徹底檢討了呢?
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推 tbi33 :卡德隆表示: 06/25 23:26
推 twonia :它應該只是想在加拿大打球吧= = 06/25 23:27
推 capssan :很多球員最後都會想要回自己家鄉打阿 Ex:槍西 06/25 23:27
推 DASHOCK :又遇到小柯了 06/25 23:28
推 bee12 :離家近 06/25 23:28
推 truegodchild:去暴龍真的只是因為家鄉的感覺 06/25 23:29
推 shyshy :加拿大那麼大 多倫多真的有比較近嗎XD 06/25 23:32
→ shyshy :還是想打國家隊? 06/25 23:32
→ lovewhite :暴龍是因為在加拿大吧 06/25 23:32
推 MrHeat :加拿大流川楓 06/25 23:39
推 pcshjuju :加拿大林書豪 06/25 23:39
推 howerd11 :NASH...不像流川楓吧... 06/25 23:39
→ MrHeat :流川楓選擇進入湘北隊的理由也是比較近 06/25 23:41
→ redplum :待會Steve Nash會接受ESPN New York訪問 看怎樣再說 06/25 23:41
→ redplum :Nash在紐約有房子 06/25 23:42
→ sampsonlu919:樓上說得都沒錯 但我想說的是:Nash光是回到祖國 06/25 23:44
→ sampsonlu919:其光榮返鄉的感覺就是一種快樂元素吧! 06/25 23:45
推 zsert13322 :到底是多不想要冠軍阿? NASH= = 06/25 23:45
→ zsert13322 :離冠軍越來越遠ˊˋ~ 06/25 23:45
→ blackdevil :真要快樂元素不會等到今年 別妄自揣測了 06/25 23:46
推 geraldwang :如果熱刺拿冠軍Nash可能會更快樂吧 06/25 23:47
推 kaiDX :太陽老闆早就該檢討了@@ 06/25 23:47
推 theren13 :太陽老闆:YA 省錢 06/25 23:47
推 qoomilk :支持! 06/25 23:51
推 LAKERsBryant:地緣性嗎? 06/25 23:54
推 Valanciunas :借轉Nash家鄉板 06/25 23:54
※ Valanciunas:轉錄至看板 Raptors 06/25 23:54
推 GoBabyYA :想回家養老了 06/25 23:55
推 jerrys0580 :真的不希望看到NASH太早退休 06/25 23:58
推 theren13 :借轉老闆壞壞板 06/26 00:01
※ theren13:轉錄至看板 PHX-Suns 06/26 00:01
推 clkdtm32 :加盟暴龍要幹嘛.... 06/26 00:03
推 mush24 :從一個炎熱的地方 轉隊到寒冷的地方 應該影響不大吧 06/26 00:06
推 teapot43 :因為加拿大的關係嗎... 06/26 00:07
推 avrilrock :不想奪冠了嗎..Nash幾乎等於太陽阿 真要走? 06/26 00:07
推 bagayoyo :Nash感覺對冠軍沒興趣 06/26 00:08
推 oicecnir :有冠軍希望的隊和NASH的打法都不怎麼好搭啊... 06/26 00:10
→ oicecnir :NASH也是要一球玩到底的 06/26 00:10
推 white75724 :暴龍今年拿冠軍 06/26 00:12
推 GianniC :Nash都這個年紀了 想要去哪兒就去啊 冠軍跟$$ 06/26 00:12
→ GianniC :對他來說也許不是最重要的 06/26 00:12
推 jsefk0819 :真的是想回家養老了... 06/26 00:14
→ GianniC :我覺得球員想去哪就去哪 他們心中自有一把尺... 06/26 00:15
推 callmedance :看不到他為戒指努力打球,感覺上有點可惜就是了 06/26 00:16
推 by0413 :可能是覺得沒辦法當主將率領球隊奪冠就沒意義了 06/26 00:17
→ GianniC :雖然Nash太陽期間沒打過總冠軍 但是說他沒有為戒指 06/26 00:17
→ GianniC :努力實在有點奇怪... 06/26 00:17
→ GianniC :他是用他自己的風格努力打球 雖然我不欣賞他的球風 06/26 00:18
→ GianniC :但是努力絕對是有的... 06/26 00:18
→ SlamKai :雖然沒有成功奪冠 但至少努力過了 06/26 00:19
→ SlamKai :把握最後的球員生涯 為家鄉球隊貢獻一份力量倒也溫馨 06/26 00:20
→ shwkz :臣服在Kobe腳下 只想去弱隊稱王 還是T-mac較有骨氣 06/26 00:21
推 timgjh :Nash的興趣是到處把雜魚變猛將讓他們拿大約嗎...= = 06/26 00:22
→ shwkz :虧他還拿過例行賽MVP...真是有點諷刺 06/26 00:23
推 GianniC :這樣Nash會變成史騰的敵人 06/26 00:23
推 amozartea :因為想回加拿大吧? 06/26 00:26
推 callmedance :讓雜魚拿大約,雜魚是? 06/26 00:27
→ amozartea :某些人真是怎麼樣都有辦法酸....去強隊酸抱大腿 06/26 00:27
→ amozartea :去弱隊被酸只想稱王 都給你說就好了= = 06/26 00:27
推 kukuso :去那裏到底幹嘛 還不如去冠軍隊 衣錠有人要 06/26 00:28
→ shwkz :有什麼不敢說的 呵呵 事實不就是如此 堂堂兩屆MVP 06/26 00:29
→ GianniC :Nash是自由球員 想去哪就去哪... 06/26 00:30
推 Axarz631 :說到拿大約後卻雜魚化的代表人物... 06/26 00:31
推 callmedance :不過對他有興趣的冠軍強隊可能也不多就是了 06/26 00:32
→ amozartea :所以sh大是覺得去熱火抱大腿你比較欣賞囉? 06/26 00:32
→ callmedance :代表人物是? 06/26 00:32
推 piercingX :飄髮哥不要自暴自棄啊 06/26 00:32
→ shwkz :歐尼爾晚年也是一直加入強隊 輔佐別人拿冠 你覺得咧 06/26 00:33
→ GianniC :我一直覺得Nash可以去公牛...只是公牛好像沒消息 06/26 00:34
→ callmedance :如果說球員老了想轉強隊要被批抱大腿那球員也真難當 06/26 00:34
推 amozartea :去公牛...防守是個大問題 06/26 00:34
推 MrHeat :Nash應該要來ptt打嘴砲比較有出息 學學鍵盤傳球 科科 06/26 00:35
→ callmedance :被尊敬的要素 1.不可以自行轉隊 2.老了只能去弱隊 06/26 00:35
→ GianniC :公牛有強硬的禁區 外線放就放了 06/26 00:35
→ GianniC :又不是熱火輪轉式防守 需要後場幫忙 06/26 00:36
→ GianniC :公牛禁區那麼硬 然後幫Nash挑一個弱一點的對位 06/26 00:36
→ GianniC :還是可以勉強應付... 06/26 00:36
→ amozartea :剛好相反吧...我看得是公牛外線很少被過... 06/26 00:37
→ amozartea :不然也不會不太放Korver上場..因為他太常被過... 06/26 00:37
→ GianniC :我自己覺得 公牛的Noah在禁區很有威力 06/26 00:38
推 stu872124553:加入暴龍 沒有冠軍阿 06/26 00:39
推 amozartea :其實也是可以啦...就乾脆練兩套隊形... 06/26 00:40
→ amozartea :Rose一套防守用, Nash一套搶分用.. 06/26 00:40
推 zse24 :暴龍的撥撥殺不是搞過他老婆 06/26 00:47
推 nashnamo :我要哭了 06/26 00:48
推 vlckcy :barbossa早送去溜馬了= = 而且那明明就假新聞 06/26 00:51
推 MrHeat :你要體諒無知的鄉民 氣不完啦 06/26 00:51
推 otsuka123 :去公牛比較好,Rose都廢了,回不回的來都是問題 06/26 00:55
推 GianniC :我覺得會處理魯蛋 很有可能Rose有點狀況 06/26 00:56
→ GianniC :不然咬著牙也會拼下一季 不可能自毀長城... 06/26 00:56
推 afdm1234 :等熱火解體再來考慮未來~~也是蠻認命的作法 06/26 01:15
推 stanwhale :要無冕了T^T 06/26 01:30
→ ericsu1225 :別阿.... 06/26 01:32
→ GsJames :沒冠軍了QQ不要啊~~~ 06/26 01:35
推 henryhsuan :從開季就在享受籃球樂趣的男人 06/26 01:45
推 ab32110 :去公牛啦>< 公牛離戒指比較近啊啊 06/26 01:54
推 Aggro :他根本只是想養老XD 06/26 02:01
推 minamix :公牛最近突然窮神附身... 06/26 02:02
→ minamix :公牛的Noah在禁區很有威力+1 06/26 02:03
→ sniper2824 :不要這樣..... 06/26 02:04
推 smilehorse :少小離家老大回 06/26 02:51
→ savemylife :生了兩個小蘿莉 06/26 02:55
- Jun 26 Tue 2012 02:58
[外絮] Nash加盟暴龍的可能性越來越高
- Jun 26 Tue 2012 02:58
[新聞] 熱火冠軍蛋糕曝光 獎杯聳立霸氣十足
作者: s66449 (老實樣) 看板: NBA
標題: [新聞] 熱火冠軍蛋糕曝光 獎杯聳立霸氣十足
時間: Tue Jun 26 00:01:41 2012
http://www.espnstar.com.tw/news/basketball/2012/0625/240494.htm
熱火冠軍蛋糕曝光 獎杯聳立霸氣十足(圖)
籃球 2012-6-25 12:12:46 來源:ESPNSTAR.COM.TW 作者:
台北時間6月25日消息,熱火成功奪冠,球員們仍然沉浸在無限的喜悅當中,如今就有媒
體曝光了熱火的冠軍蛋糕,這塊特殊的蛋糕霸氣十足,上面不但有「奧布萊恩杯」,還將
熱火每名球員的球衣以及名字都印刻了上去,意義非凡。
距離熱火奪冠結束已經有幾天時間了,但是球員們的狂歡卻仍在持續,就在之前,詹姆斯
攜隊友們前往邁阿密一家夜店狂歡的影音就被曝光,熱火球員們大肆慶祝,一直狂歡到第
二天凌晨六點,而魏德叼著雪茄以及詹姆斯抱香檳豪飲的鏡頭也都給人留下了深刻的印象
。
但這些是遠遠不夠的,如今有媒體再度曝光了熱火的新花式,據報導聲稱,詹姆斯
(LeBron James)、魏德(Dwyane Wade)以及波許(Chris Bosh)在邁阿密一家俱樂部再度進
行慶祝活動,而這一次,他們也收獲了一個特殊的禮物––熱火的冠軍蛋糕,只見這塊蛋
糕的四周均是由火焰包圍,和「熱火」的主題相匹配,值得一提的是,在蛋糕的第二層,
熱火奪冠陣容的球衣號碼以及名字都赫然在列,其中三巨頭則是被放在了一起,享受著與
眾不同的地位。
而在蛋糕的上方,有一個碩大的「奧布萊恩杯」,在獎杯的底盤上,也赫然印著「第二座
總冠軍獎杯」的字樣,「這似乎已經是我們第五次狂歡聚會了。」魏德說道,「而這僅僅
是奪冠後的第三天而已。」
就像這塊蛋糕一樣,在付出了一個賽季的努力後,熱火也終於品味到了成功帶來的甜蜜滋
味,而接下來更大的狂歡也將會來臨,就在美國當地時間周一,熱火的冠軍遊行也將會拉
開大幕,屆時,他們也將會享受到數萬球迷的膜拜。
(責任編輯:巴喬的徒弟)
wow
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推 aa0780928 :爽喔 06/26 00:03
推 GianniC :這蛋糕不知道好不好吃 叫辣妹曾根來吃不知道要多久 06/26 00:03
推 Gwendaline :現在正live直撥啊 科科科 06/26 00:04
推 poloo9 :霸氣外露 找死! 06/26 00:06
→ mariandtmac :是請蛋糕天王做的嗎 我記得也在邁阿密 06/26 00:06
推 savemylife :http://www.ettoday.net/news/20120104/16891.htm 06/26 00:06
→ savemylife :LBJ的27歲金光閃閃生日蛋糕(還挺好看的) 06/26 00:07
推 javasakino :LBJ拜託千萬別被Wade帶壞.... 低調點好阿 06/26 00:11
→ iio :LBJ是很喜歡吃蛋糕嗎? 生日也有大蛋糕 總冠軍也有 06/26 00:13
→ GianniC :冠軍蛋糕跟LBJ有關嗎??? 06/26 00:14
推 iwgpg1ghc :整天在那邊帶壞 是帶壞個洨啊 酸酸管管自己吧 06/26 00:15
推 hero24 :蛋糕天王在紐澤西吧 06/26 00:15
→ sevenmill :.....三王那個擺法怎麼類似法拉利前三名的樣子 06/26 00:26
推 bboo :這哪有什麼帶不帶壞= = 不就記者報個冠軍蛋糕嗎 06/26 00:54
→ bboo :也沒什麼高不高調的問題吧 都拿冠軍了 06/26 00:55
→ pounil :NJP連線啊 不意外 n都不酸了 就他一個..... 06/26 01:03
推 otsuka123 :已經沒人阻止的了熱火了,更應該高調 06/26 01:17
- Jun 26 Tue 2012 02:58
[外絮] Ray Allen有興趣加入熱火隊
作者: SeungYeon (我愛勝妍) 看板: NBA
標題: [外絮] Ray Allen有興趣加入熱火隊
時間: Tue Jun 26 00:28:57 2012
Allen, Miami Heat Have 'Mutual Interest,' According To Report
雷槍跟熱火看來都對對方有興趣 儘管也沒排除回到超賽的可能 不過機率越來越小
熱火只能提供每年3M的迷你中產 RA真的加入熱火的話將有極大的外線空檔發揮神射功力
Free agent shooting guard Ray Allen and the Miami Heat have mutual interest,
according to a report from Brian Windhorst of ESPN.
Allen hasn't ruled out a return to the Boston Celtics, but several reports
have noted that he seems to have one foot out the door.
As Windhorst points out, the Heat won't have as much money to offer Allen as
other teams. The most they can offer him is the mini mid-level exception,
which begins at $3 million per season. Playing for the Heat would also
require Allen to come off the bench, which he was reportedly upset to do
during his final season in Boston, because it's impossible to imagine a
non-injury scenario in which Allen starts ahead of Dwyane Wade.
But the Heat are the clear favorites to repeat as Eastern Conference
champions next season and return to the NBA Finals to defend their crown. If
Allen wants to remain a valuable component of a contender, Miami is an
intriguing option. Plus, Allen would benefit from double-teams on Wade and
LeBron James -- think about the NBA's most prolific three-point shooter ever
shooting all those open jumpers Shane Battier and Mike Miller drained in the
Finals.
http://0rz.tw/Juriw
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推 dudu5566 :有雷槍MM就可以安心退休了 06/26 00:29
推 oDwyaneWadeo:去熱火吧 06/26 00:30
噓 a60403 :抱大腿正夯 06/26 00:30
→ ice80712 :來吧 不要在超賽跟那個沒品死小鬼軟豆打球了 06/26 00:30
推 katanakiller:樓上崩潰那麼久喔 06/26 00:30
噓 trylin :抱大腿 06/26 00:30
推 KobeEFF0 :再加入一個空手走位自走砲RA 蠻恐怖的熱火 06/26 00:31
→ amozartea :3M也太虧待他了... 06/26 00:31
→ katanakiller:說3F =.= 06/26 00:31
→ GianniC :雷槍開刀 應該很有疑慮吧 不然價碼很難談啊.. 06/26 00:31
推 sezna :來熱火吧 LBJ會傳給你 06/26 00:31
推 blur13 :雷槍沒有地方退休球衣QQ 06/26 00:32
推 Olowokandi :生涯除了某年以外被Kobe壓著打的人 大概是想借熱火 06/26 00:32
→ Kobe2630 :繼續數據~ 06/26 00:32
→ Olowokandi :幫他報私人的仇........ 06/26 00:32
推 white75724 :都有戒指了還去抱什麼大腿阿 06/26 00:33
推 qhaabk :RA - WADE - MM - JAMES - BOSH 06/26 00:33
推 bbbruce :歡迎!!! 06/26 00:33
推 mush24 :怎麼了 簽射手? 說好的中鋒呢? 06/26 00:33
→ Kobe2630 :老賽都不要了 熱火會想要嗎@@ 06/26 00:33
→ Kobe2630 :整隊沒一個留他@@ 06/26 00:34
推 lanver1220 :樓上 對熱火以及C's都很熟? 如此肯定 06/26 00:35
推 ice80712 :不是有沒有拿過冠軍的問題 06/26 00:35
推 mush24 :他差不多了 戒指拿了 數據也夠進名人堂 退休吧 06/26 00:35
→ lanver1220 :改天幫我問問 選秀選誰 好嗎?? 06/26 00:35
→ amozartea :我倒覺得熱火比較需要射手... 06/26 00:36
→ amozartea :今年就是靠射手穩才冠軍... 06/26 00:36
→ azndevil26 :晚節不保...這樣不好巴 06/26 00:36
推 yowru :某樓腦補仍然很厲害 好像跟球團還是球員很熟一樣? 06/26 00:36
推 ricky110777 :來BA lbj會傳球給你 06/26 00:36
→ marlonlai :熱火現在優先要補的就是穩定的射手跟速度OK的大個子 06/26 00:37
推 Conpana :熱火又要多一個準名人堂球員了 06/26 00:37
推 force5566 :說不定是學ODOM 去臥底的 06/26 00:37
→ shwkz :哈 有可能是去臥底 然後又能賺錢 刷生涯數據 完美 06/26 00:38
→ pttfft :不要拿Odom這種人來跟紳士雷槍比 06/26 00:38
→ ice80712 :可能只是不想跟軟豆同隊吧 06/26 00:39
推 pezhan :整個破格 06/26 00:40
推 ice80712 :酸民都說萬惡黑火 怎麼一堆球星搶著要去? 06/26 00:41
推 MrHeat :酸民有資格跟球星拿來比較嗎? 06/26 00:41
推 akakbest :該不會要臥底吧XDD 06/26 00:42
推 answertw :如果去 就要多一個討厭的人了 06/26 00:42
→ Zenkyo :去的話會黑掉吧 06/26 00:43
推 chinhan1216 :看來明年冠軍也是熱火了... 06/26 00:44
噓 liboy1122 :看來ray allen真的不知道他適合那種球隊 06/26 00:44
→ liboy1122 :他適合的是隊上有超級老大 但是又能讓他獨立進功的 06/26 00:45
→ liboy1122 :球隊 06/26 00:45
→ hater4life :WOW 06/26 00:47
推 avrilrock :熱火明星隊 06/26 00:47
推 LBJ23 :後人對他整個人的評價 會瞬間降低吧 06/26 00:47
推 sezna :熱火還缺KG一起來 06/26 00:48
推 zsert13322 :不~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 不要~~~~ 拜託不要~~~~ 06/26 00:49
推 chinhan1216 :三分C&S都可以有那個準度 給LBJ傳出來的空檔還得了 06/26 00:49
推 Conpana :都已經是生涯末期的老將了 他想去哪就去哪啊 有什麼 06/26 00:52
→ Conpana :好降低的? 06/26 00:52
推 d88647511 :借轉 謝謝原PO 06/26 00:52
※ d88647511:轉錄至看板 MiamiHeat 06/26 00:52
推 tbi33 :MM跟JJ可以放心去退休了 06/26 00:52
推 heero0333 :KG+雷槍+bosh+偉德+LBJ 邁阿密五巨頭 06/26 00:52
→ heero0333 :打不贏他就加入他 NBA抱大腿隊 06/26 00:53
推 kaede0711 :越來越邪惡了XD 06/26 00:53
推 pounil :有興趣破三分球紀錄嗎? 來熱火吧 06/26 00:56
→ otsuka123 :如果加入,區防就擋不了熱火了 06/26 00:56
推 pounil :C's板的賽迷要崩潰了 一堆人超不想allen去熱火的 06/26 00:59
推 xxxx5566 :瑞岡瑞岡瑞岡瑞岡瑞岡瑞岡瑞岡瑞岡瑞岡瑞岡瑞岡瑞岡 06/26 01:01
推 DKGodman :水啦 火火王朝 準備連霸囉 酸酸要起飛了 06/26 01:02
→ DKGodman :史騰敢對皇帝說因為籃球因素 拒絕雷槍加入嗎 06/26 01:03
推 zorrle :雷槍這次季後賽防守wade還不錯 速度+外線 超搭的啦 06/26 01:04
推 cowbay1000 :我想看lbj徹底解放ray gun 06/26 01:05
推 xxxx5566 :恭喜allen 準備又創自己的高峰 06/26 01:06
推 dwk :還有誰是一線球星但苦熬多年還沒冠軍的啊,簡直就是 06/26 01:06
→ dwk :一笑泯恩愁的同學會嘛 06/26 01:06
推 GianniC :又有人扯籃球理由 真的很可笑 黃蜂就是聯盟託管 06/26 01:06
→ GianniC :聯盟高興怎麼擋都可以 只要多數球隊老闆不反對... 06/26 01:07
推 pounil :某d又來囉 ray有冠軍了 你來扯一堆無關的幹嘛 06/26 01:08
推 RubenGotay :3M 太少了吧,老賽至少可以開5M以上 06/26 01:10
推 mush24 :DKGodman就是那種崩潰16年的球迷 直到今年徹底解放 06/26 01:11
推 Conpana :酸酸要崩潰了 這篇終於不反串了XD 06/26 01:11
推 Conpana :科迷DKG崩潰16年 直到今年徹底解放? 06/26 01:15
※ hssz:轉錄至看板 Celtics 06/26 01:17
→ shadow0326 :廢話 我也有興趣啊 06/26 01:18
推 garnett05 :講雷槍抱大腿會不會太好笑.. 06/26 01:26
→ Gief :能發揮又能贏球的地方,誰都會有興趣的,並不是有了戒 06/26 01:28
→ Gief :指就會不喜歡常常贏球的感覺 06/26 01:28
推 ericsu1225 :熱火都證明打小球能拿冠軍 應該類似陣容可以繼續試吧 06/26 01:31
推 afdm1234 :可惜目前沒有人能類似LBJ 06/26 01:32
推 javasakino :千萬不要用Wade洗澡完用過的毛巾 除此之外我不反對~ 06/26 01:39
噓 maxwellya :3M兩年C's還給得起好不 誰在那邊抱大腿= = 06/26 01:43
噓 Sadan :去得話很沒出息 06/26 01:50
推 apestage :來吧 這樣就可以看到上面幾樓崩潰 06/26 01:51
→ timsb :有點失落 06/26 01:56
→ timsb :不過RA想去熱火是正常的,可以專心射三分創紀錄 06/26 01:59
→ timsb :不需要太防守又可以撈冠軍 06/26 01:59
推 DarkRick :這也沒有出息不出息的問題吧 這是現實面 去熱火也不 06/26 02:02
→ wiiann :如果老賽不要ray 那去熱火真的是好選擇啊 有錢有奪 06/26 02:03
→ DarkRick :用太累 還有競爭力 職業生涯也可以在往後延長 06/26 02:03
→ wiiann :冠實力 誰想要這把年紀還加入一個爛隊浪費時間 06/26 02:04
→ DarkRick :還是去山貓才叫有出息? 06/26 02:05
推 Aesti :有腦袋的都知道是去抱大腿 領底薪當吉祥物就夠了啦 06/26 02:06
→ dwyanelin :去山貓搞不好還會被說成抱MJ大腿 06/26 02:06
→ wiiann :都這把年紀了 就領領底薪拿冠軍 像豬王一樣不好嗎 06/26 02:07
→ DarkRick :這年代好大腿不抱?去PLP不好? 06/26 02:09
推 MrHeat :拿過戒指 奮鬥一輩子的名將 還需要讓酸民評論嗎?? 06/26 02:12
推 sjvious :SONG 06/26 02:14
推 savemylife :啊不是說老將老了就可以去拼戒指?(雖然Ray拿過了) 06/26 02:15
→ savemylife :結果老將乳摸對象是熱火的話還不是一樣有雜音 06/26 02:16
推 RealGarden :去吧 06/26 02:26
→ alxe760908 :來熱火下季對上老賽更有看頭XD 06/26 02:32
- Jun 26 Tue 2012 02:58
[外絮] Odom:實境秀不會導致分心
作者: sampsonlu919 (湖人最該自盡的人:顆比) 看板: NBA
標題: [外絮] Odom:實境秀不會導致分心
時間: Tue Jun 26 00:27:24 2012
Odom Insists Reality Show Was No Distraction
http://goo.gl/eIeWn
Via Fort Worth Star-Telegram/Dwain Price
Lamar Odom insists his reality TV show wasn't a distraction and had no effect
on his play with the Mavericks.
Lamar Odom至今仍堅持他參與的電視節目,並不是讓他分心進而影響他在小牛表現的
原因。
"I think this past year I didn't perform on a level that I wanted to perform
as far as being a professional basketball player,'' Odom said. "And so I
think I have to reprove myself.''
Odom表示:「我知道以職籃球員的角度來說,我今年的表現完全不如預期,所以我的確
應該自我檢討。」
Odom, who averaged career-lows in points, rebounds, assists and shooting
percentage, is slated to make $8.2 million next season.
Odom今年的得分、籃板、助攻與投籃命中率都創下生涯新低,而他下一季的預計年新
是820萬美金。
Dallas can buy him out of the contract by Friday for $2.4 million.
不過,小牛可以在周五以前,用240萬美金的價碼將合約買斷。
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心得︰或許他認識Kardashian家族的那一刻,就是錯誤的開始...
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噓 pttfft :有Odom有噓 06/26 00:28
推 GianniC :小午應該不要買斷 免得Odom去別隊大爆發那就... 06/26 00:29
噓 banbantone :.. 06/26 00:29
噓 amozartea :間諜 06/26 00:29
推 CW4 :還是專心完成了臥底的任務 職業精神可嘉 06/26 00:30
噓 pickoff :沒有職業道德的球員 可以改行當演員了 06/26 00:35
推 ilanese :薪水小偷~~ 06/26 00:44
噓 hater4life :間諜 06/26 00:45
噓 asony :噓他沒職業道德...... 06/26 01:15
推 hunder31 :不要買斷 把他交易到北大荒去 Odom可能會哭死... 06/26 01:35
推 LAKERsBryant:他姨子那片 蠻無趣的... 06/26 01:45
噓 bagayoyo :美國勞德諾 06/26 02:01
推 LBJ23 :每場讓他上一波進攻 讓他生涯數據多82場零分 06/26 02:41
→ LBJ23 :0分0助功0籃板*82場 毀了他的生涯數據 06/26 02:41
→ LBJ23 :毀了他阿!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 06/26 02:42
- Jun 26 Tue 2012 02:57
Re: [討論] MVP和FMVP
作者: LAKERsBryant (Take a break ,ok?) 看板: NBA
標題: Re: [討論] MVP和FMVP
時間: Tue Jun 26 00:33:40 2012
其實就MVP 和 FMVP兩個講來分析
MVP 一般來說 都會是當季戰績好 或 和上季差超級多
且一個重點是個人能力超猛 能用個人能力COVER整個團隊的人
大部分都是當季可以I Take Five的 如果你戰績第一
但是是像馬刺或當年活塞5虎 這種團隊的球隊 季賽MVP不用去想了
有季賽MVP的這種隊伍一般來說 很難拿冠軍
為什麼? 因為球是5個人打的 不是I take five可以拿的
你要拱出一個MVP 基本上其他就通通都是綠葉
EX: 2K系列 能力值95,80,80,80,80的A球隊 跟 90,85,85,85,80的B球隊
基本上 MVP會是95的 冠軍會是B的
F-MVP 要怎麼拿 最重要就是你要打進冠軍賽 而且贏了4場 ( J.West那種只有一次 )
而大家都知道要贏總冠軍 重點是什麼 團隊!!
其實這跟MVP的評分依據是有小衝突的
EX: 同上例 F-MVP會是B隊能力值90的球員
這就是為什麼F-MVP + MVP 很難
因為能MVP 再加 F-MVP 某部分來講 就是...
他的效能 = 團隊...
像是我上面例子 要是 A隊的95能力長到99+ 突破天際到1XX
像是今年的LBJ...就會是這種狀況
我上一篇文列的 史上那14個FMVP + MVP 基本上就是這種狀況...
超級猛的球員 + 一群不太差的球員 = 奪冠 + F-MVP + MVP
很猛的球員 + 一群不太差的球員 = 季賽MVP
普通猛的球員 + 一群稍微猛的球員 = 奪冠 + F-MVP
很猛的球員 + 一群很普通的球員 = 季賽MVP
超級猛 => 奪冠年的 Jordan LBJ O'neal M.Johnson Jabbar L.Bird TD ...etc
很猛的 => 得MVP那年的 KB LBJ NASH ...etc
普通猛 => TD C.BILLUPS PARKER ...etc
從這邊可以大概看得出 這兩個獎為什麼這麼難同時獲得...
簡單講季賽MVP較看個人能力 F-MVP幾乎都是團隊能力
要一季兩樣同時得 就是要個人可以完全COVER團隊 神降臨一般表現的時候
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→ Kobe2630 :恩.... 06/26 00:34
噓 LowerMerion :.....難得噓認真文 06/26 00:35
→ LowerMerion :和實際情況差太多了吧 06/26 00:36
推 ice80712 :我覺得很中肯阿 LBJ以前在騎士時是完全不能失常的 06/26 00:38
噓 chaoskus :誰不知道啊 06/26 00:42
推 LowerMerion :季賽mvp往往都是給戰績最好的幾隻球隊之一的老大 06/26 00:42
→ LowerMerion :而不是頒給當年表現最大暴發的人.. 06/26 00:42
推 eu3 :..可是熱火今年應該 很猛的+稍為猛吧.. 06/26 00:43
→ eu3 :說錯 超級猛+稍為猛 以的說法啦.. 06/26 00:43
熱火今年我覺得是
超級猛 + 很猛但是會偶爾勞賽 + 稍微猛但是比較常會不見
+ 單項能力專門球員兩隻 (運球 防守 投三分)
用能力值去講就是
1XX + 90(±10) + 85(±5) + 兩隻專項85的
90跟85這兩隻 常常會莫名其妙掉到80...
→ eu3 : 你 06/26 00:44
推 bboo :還滿中肯的 06/26 00:58
推 cowbay1000 :很中肯阿 要拿FMVP除了自己要夠強 隊友也要夠罩 06/26 01:01
→ pounil :戰績強大的隊伍中數據突出的人 mvp 06/26 01:01
推 XIICAT :其實還蠻中肯得 06/26 01:08
→ Conpana :有季賽MVP的這種隊伍一般來說 很難拿冠軍 06/26 01:08
→ Conpana :為什麼?因為全聯盟只有一隊拿得到冠軍 06/26 01:08
→ Conpana :冠軍本來就很難拿 06/26 01:09
近十年 扣掉拿MVP+FMVP的人 只有兩個拿季賽MVP的進冠軍賽
但其中一個被團隊的球隊殺爆 那個人叫Kobe Bryant
另外一個被無解的禁區肉棍殺爆 那個人叫做Allen Iverson
有些甚至mvp連第二輪都沒有
2000-01 AI 冠軍賽 落敗
2001-02 TD 西區第二輪 落敗
2002-03 TD 奪冠
2003-04 KG 西區決賽 落敗
2004-05 NASH 西區決賽 落敗
2005-06 NASH 西區第二輪 落敗
2006-07 DIRK 西區第一輪 落敗
2007-08 KB 冠軍賽 落敗
2008-09 LBJ 東區決賽 落敗
2009-10 LBJ 東區第二輪 落敗
2010-11 ROSE 東區決賽 落敗
2011-12 LBJ 奪冠
事實證明 還沒突破天際的強大個人能力
基本上就是會遇到打團隊的球隊 然後被打爆
推 SQUAD12345 :MVP常常都不是給MVP,像司機跟螺絲 06/26 01:14
噓 kunda :戰力比較高不見得就拿FMVP 06/26 01:23
推 Navarro02 :算中懇 06/26 01:26
推 semicoma :第一點跟我的認知有出入 06/26 01:30
→ semicoma :應該說拿MVP的條件是超猛x1 + 綠葉xN跟我的認知有差 06/26 01:31
→ alex55555 :三國志解釋NBA 06/26 01:39
※ 編輯: LAKERsBryant 來自: 61.57.104.10 (06/26 01:40)
推 sjfrnbu :http://ppt.cc/1inj 06/26 01:58
→ sjfrnbu :呂布跟關羽的差距 06/26 01:59
推 pttfft :摳鼻頂多只是劉備吧,靠關張等五虎將在蜀國稱帝 06/26 02:04
- Jun 26 Tue 2012 02:57
[外絮] 老鷹正式聘請Danny Ferry當GM
作者: SeungYeon (我愛勝妍) 看板: NBA
標題: [外絮] 老鷹正式聘請Danny Ferry當GM
時間: Tue Jun 26 00:36:43 2012
Hawks hire Ferry to be GM
45歲的Danny Ferry將會接手Rick Sund成為老鷹下任總經理
Ferry在05-10年間打造過騎士隊成為聯盟勁旅 美國時間禮拜一下午會舉行記者會
http://0rz.tw/lAST4
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推 pttfft :打造成聯盟勁旅 = 例行賽戰績前段班 = 沒總冠軍 06/26 00:37
推 qoomilk :騎士隊成為聯盟勁旅很大一部分主因是LBJ 06/26 00:39
推 LowerMerion :不合身價的第二順位 06/26 00:39
推 sezna :聯盟勁旅=LBJ+其他人 06/26 00:43
推 AliGJapan :only 45 years old.. 好年輕 06/26 00:45
→ AliGJapan :所以之前在cavs當gm時候才38歲... 人生勝利組.. 06/26 00:46
推 z6a6 :Ferry也是馬刺體系出來的,在騎士也是連年補強 06/26 00:47
推 marimbagou :一樓我笑了 貼切 但是怎麼是苦笑= = 06/26 01:07
推 sleepybaby :推哈姆 06/26 01:09
推 nanogiant :LBJ和他的快樂夥伴 06/26 01:10
推 wade6 :想當年也是選秀榜眼被譽為第二個大鳥 結果..... 06/26 01:33
→ wade6 :用榜眼籤選來一個定點射手 不過現在至少有GM可當 06/26 01:34
推 tim89050809 :請問樓上說的是? 06/26 01:36
推 afdm1234 :這篇說誰~他就說誰 06/26 01:37
推 jimmy30637 :借轉 06/26 02:34
※ jimmy30637:轉錄至看板 Cavaliers 06/26 02:34
- Jun 26 Tue 2012 02:57
[外絮] 尼克隊主力球員跟教練的聚餐
作者: SeungYeon (我愛勝妍) 看板: NBA
標題: [外絮] 尼克隊主力球員跟教練的聚餐
時間: Tue Jun 26 01:09:32 2012
八卦媒體TMZ 在比佛利山的牛排店拍到教練Woodson 林書豪 甜瓜 拳王等人
聽說這間店是這裡最好最貴的牛排屋之一 連結內有影片
記者還問瓜瓜熱火跟LBJ都奪冠了你有沒有壓力 記者有問候林書豪他沒回應
http://0rz.tw/zHLOA
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推 yun0215 :沒有阿罵吧= = 06/26 01:13
※ 編輯: SeungYeon 來自: 112.105.64.24 (06/26 01:14)
→ SeungYeon :不知道未啥也打了出來XD 06/26 01:15
推 Rizzi :阿罵很有危機意識,正在檢查餐廳逃生門和滅火器在哪! 06/26 01:17
推 CW4 :Amare:幹 吃飯不揪是怎樣? 06/26 01:17
推 garnett05 :八卦媒體目擊沒被約的Amare趕來怒擊牛排店滅火器 06/26 01:19
→ shadow0326 :他們應該剛好有事到LA吧 阿罵大概在紐約 06/26 01:20
→ evilraistlin:阿罵正在Twitter上罵球迷 氣飽了啦~ 06/26 01:22
推 yun0215 :阿罵應該還在邁阿密吧XD 06/26 01:26
推 CW4 :會不會FB分享的照片 Amare被tag在餐盤 06/26 01:40
推 l2l :林感覺有點躲避訪問 06/26 02:01
→ LBJ23 :林書豪很聰明阿 Melo假如講錯一個字又會被放大檢視 06/26 02:11
→ LBJ23 :搞不好還被記者問題激怒 06/26 02:12
- Jun 26 Tue 2012 02:57
Re: [外絮] 七六人打算 A.Iguodala <--> P.Gasol?
作者: EvanYang (EvanYang) 看板: NBA
標題: Re: [外絮] 七六人打算 A.Iguodala <--> P.Gasol?
時間: Tue Jun 26 02:02:40 2012
※ 引述《cat0806 (Cater)》之銘言:
: 就像上賽季一樣,Andre Iguodala 不斷被捲入交易流言中。
: 《HoopsWorld》記者 John Mitchell 透露,七六人正考慮拿 Iggy 去換 Pau Gasol。
: 但這消息尚未得到七六人官方證實。
: http://www.hoopsworld.com/sixers-consider-pau-gasol-for-iguodala
: ......
感覺對雙方來說都很不錯,76人可以考慮把Turner扶正,同時避免在
同樣位子簽下兩張大約。
湖人的話,Kobe不太防守了,世界和平老了,橫移速度慢了,碰到後
場搖擺人,都丟給小AI處理,防守上整個提升單防威能。
更重要的是,Gasol之前都會抱怨沒給他戰術,球權又不再他身上,
然後又常常被要求自盡,超可憐的,換到小AI後,小AI這麼討厭球,
之前球迷常常期待小AI可以多自幹一點,到湖人之後,湖人最不缺就
是自幹,小AI終於可以每次都球流動到他手上時,就很開心的再把球
交出去,一整個雙贏,可以做自己喜歡的事(把球快點丟給隊友)。
至於Gasol,7尺長人,可以打內線,可以打策應,也可以高位,帶領
76人,應該可以再創生涯高峰。
結論:對雙方的球迷來說,應該雙贏,沒有自盡,也沒有擊墜的問題
了......
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推 heero0333 :我覺得湖人小虧 但還是換好了 06/26 02:03
推 poiumko :原來Gasol要帶領76年啊... 06/26 02:04
感謝提醒
→ GianniC :湖人大虧吧... 06/26 02:05
認真的說,其實還好,Gasol雖然好,但是靠交易要換到超額報酬,作夢比
較快,真的要交易Gasol,要抱著吃虧,但是不至於太虧的心態。
推 theren13 :反正KOBE的出手會讓小AI每場都被擊墜 這樣雙贏 06/26 02:05
※ 編輯: EvanYang 來自: 1.171.186.224 (06/26 02:07)
推 dwyanelin :P.JACKSON留下來的戰術體系 要被大改了 如果交易的話 06/26 02:08
推 noahlin :湖人虧在哪 Gasol32歲了還剩兩年大約... 06/26 02:08
→ noahlin :換一個全能又不貪球的小AI很好用的啊 06/26 02:09
→ noahlin :MWP的位置比較尷尬就是了 看要不要特赦... 06/26 02:09
推 LBJ23 :感覺湖人用Bynum換比較划算 Gasol回到09 10年打法 06/26 02:09
→ LBJ23 :雖然Bynum很強 但他有受傷 心態問題 06/26 02:10
→ LBJ23 :也不是個球隊領導者的料 06/26 02:10
→ EvanYang :Gasol老了,回不去09年了 06/26 02:10
推 RonaldBBS :gasol雖然比較強 但反正湖人不想用 適合比較重要 06/26 02:11
推 GianniC :問題是湖人可以不換 賭Bynum下一季腦袋開竅... 06/26 02:11
→ GianniC :換了沒有更好 何必換... 06/26 02:11
推 bagayoyo :Gasol打季後賽只會勞賽 06/26 02:11
→ GianniC :Gasol也許有些低潮 問題是市場上要找比他好的也不容 06/26 02:12
→ GianniC :易 好好的雙塔拆掉才是奇怪吧.. 06/26 02:12
→ EvanYang :Bynum的腦袋....隨著數據越強,中二有絕對正關係 06/26 02:12
→ EvanYang :湖人的雙塔是假雙塔,無法1+1>2,搭配後場,1x3<3 06/26 02:13
→ GianniC :那就是教練的問題 想辦法把這三個人整合起來 06/26 02:14
→ EvanYang :教練唷...覺得難度很大,隊中三大主力,有兩個是自我 06/26 02:15
→ EvanYang :流滿分的球員,一者會因為不爽所以for33333,另一者 06/26 02:15
→ EvanYang :可以說是蟬聯聯盟自我流第一名數年的未來名人堂巨星 06/26 02:16
→ EvanYang :。教練應該無法改變他們在場上的打法吧..... 06/26 02:17
推 GianniC :教練就是要想辦法去溝通 去展現領導力 這沒有辦法 06/26 02:17
→ GianniC :這就是考驗教練的時刻... 06/26 02:17
→ EvanYang :教練沒神到可以做到不合理的要求,只能盡量罷了 06/26 02:19
→ GianniC :我覺得可以讓Bynum去上心靈成長的課程 06/26 02:20
→ ko373328 :到時候,就會怪小AI不出手,只會防守,自盡吧 06/26 02:23
推 alxe760908 :感覺湖人有點虧,SF這位子一堆人打,PG倒是只剩一個 06/26 02:31
→ YamagiN :真的有人上所謂心靈成長的課程後有成長的嗎? 我只遇 06/26 02:38
推 Olowokandi :如果是09年被本版公認FMVP的Gasol那自然是湖人虧 06/26 02:38
→ YamagiN :過上完那種課以後說話與處事變得跟做直銷的很像的人 06/26 02:38
→ Olowokandi :但不可否認的是Gasol已經開始步入生涯後期了..... 06/26 02:39
→ YamagiN :就賭博阿 賭Pau回不回得去09年跟Bynum會不會變成熟 06/26 02:39
→ ohmygod0707 :要丟快丟,不要整天只叫別人自盡,歹戲拖棚 06/26 02:51
- Jun 26 Tue 2012 02:57
[外絮] Jared Sullinger不會被邀請到選秀會現場
作者: SeungYeon (我愛勝妍) 看板: NBA
標題: [外絮] Jared Sullinger不會被邀請到選秀會現場
時間: Tue Jun 26 02:10:50 2012
Report: Jared Sullinger not invited to draft
一年以前 Jared Sullinger參加選秀會的話絕對是樂透區前十順位保證
一年以後 這位Ohio State的內線球員將不會被邀請到選秀會的green room
自從被爆出背部傷勢疑慮後他的身價直直落 目前推估在首輪末段
http://0rz.tw/p8eiW
後面順位如果撿到他 能健康打絕對是即戰力
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推 qe50569 :好歹也是俄亥俄州大的絕對主力,太慘了吧 06/26 02:17
推 r44621 :不被邀請也太慘... 06/26 02:23
推 mabirex :熱火快撿 06/26 02:25
→ savemylife :熱火撿吧 反正是26順位 當樂透抽抽看也好 06/26 02:28
推 j8866yanzi :鳳凰城醫龍團隊:這種球員最適合我們了 06/26 02:55
- Jun 26 Tue 2012 02:56
[外絮] NBA 史上五大選秀錯誤
作者: loed () 看板: NBA
標題: [外絮] NBA 史上五大選秀錯誤
時間: Tue Jun 26 02:17:41 2012
NBA 史上五大選秀錯誤 <馬後炮排行榜>
榮譽榜
1981年,小牛用狀元籤選了Mark Aguirre,讓Isiah Thomas淪為榜眼。
2008年,灰狼用榜眼選了O.J. Mayo,卻沒選Russell Westbrook(第四順位),或是Kevin
Love (第五順位)。
2001年,巫師用狀元籤選了Kwame Brown,錯過了Tyson Chandler(榜眼)、Pau Gasol(探花
)。
1998年,快艇用狀元籤選了Michael Olowokandi,錯過Mike Bibby(榜眼),Antawn
Jamison(第四順位),還有Vince Carter(第五順位)。
1985年,國王在第六順位選了Joe Kleine,錯過了Chris Mullin (第七順位)與Detlef
Schrempf(第八順位),以及Charles Oakley(第九順位)。
1997年,Tracy McGrady(第九順位)才被暴龍選走,在他之前灰熊選了Antonio Daniels(第
四順位),金塊選Tony Battie(第五順位),賽爾蒂克選Ron Mercer(第六順位),籃網選Tim
Thomas(第七順位),勇士選Adonal Foyle(第八順位)。
1991年,國王在探花位選Billy Owens,而非Dikembe Mutombo(第四順位)。
1987年,籃網用探花選了Dennis Hopson,卻沒選Scottie Pippen(第五順位),或是Kevin
Johnson(第七順位),此外Reggie Miller、Mark Jackson、Horace Grant也沒在前兩位被
選走。
1983年,堪薩斯在第13位順位挑選了Ennis Whatley,而非Clyde Drexler。
2009年,灰熊用榜眼籤選中Hasheem Thabeet,而非James Harden(探花)與Ricky Rubio(第
五順位)。
1978年,有五支球隊沒選Larry Bird,分別為拓荒長用狀元籤選Mychal Thompson,堪薩斯
用榜眼選Phil Ford,印第安納用探花選Rick Robey,尼克選Michael Ray Richarson(第四
順位),勇士選Purvis Short(第五順位),但該年選秀為變數為Larry Bird不確定是否該棄
學投入NBA。
五大選秀錯誤:
No.5— 2005年,老鷹用榜眼籤選Marvin Williams,而非探花Deron Williams,與Chris
Paul(第四順位)。
No.4—2007年,拓荒者用狀元籤選Greg Oden,而非榜眼Kevin Durant。
No.3—1996年,有12支球隊有眼不識老大。
No.2—2003年,底特律用榜眼籤選Darko Milicic,而非探花Carmelo Anthony,或Chris
Bosh(第四順位),以及Dwyane Wade(第五順位)。
No.1—1984年,某隊選了Sam Bowie,而非選那個人。
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原文:Top 5 NBA Draft Mistakes
By Joel Brigham http://www.hoopsworld.com/top-5-nba-draft-mistakes (原文)
There is a certain level of buzz coming out of Charlotte right now that the
Bobcats might be considering selecting Harrison Barnes with the second
overall pick in next Thursday’s draft, partly because he’s a top-five
talent, but mostly because he’s marketable as an in-state college star that
could, in theory, help to rejuvenate a franchise.
That, of course, would be an egregious mistake for the Bobcats from a
basketball standpoint, particularly because Thomas Robinson looks like the
biggest potential star available to them at #2, and even Michael
Kidd-Gilchrist and Bradley Beal appear primed for a higher level of NBA
stardom than Barnes.
In any event, I saw Barnes listed at #2 in a mock draft online, and all I
could think was, “Man, that just isn’t the right choice.” From there, I
naturally started thinking about some of the other poor drafting decisions in
league history, and that’s where the idea for this Top 5 was birthed. The
following list examines the most notorious incidents of passing up on future
superstars for players who just never lived up to their draft positions.
For the purpose of this list, I’d like to note that I only listed players
who might have realistically been selected in that position instead of the
guy who actually got picked. For example, if Jared Sullinger ends up an
All-Star six years from now and Harrison Barnes flames out in Charlotte, I won
’t be complaining that the Bobcats didn’t take Sullinger, because he was
never in the conversation. If Robinson or Beal or Kidd-Gilchrist blow up and
Barnes busts, however, that’s a different story.
All that said, here they are, in descending order—the five biggest draft
mistakes in NBA history:
Honorable Mention:
In 1981, Dallas selects Mark Aguirre (#1) over Isiah Thomas (#2) – The funny
thing here is that these two ended up teammates just in time to win two
championships together in the late ‘80s, but even though Aguirre was a
three-time All-Star, he was no Isiah Thomas. The Mavericks could’ve built a
franchise around him; they obviously couldn’t with Aguirre.
In 2008, Minnesota selects O.J. Mayo (#3, traded to Memphis) over Russell
Westbrook (#4) and Kevin Love (#5) – Not completely unforgiveable because
Mayo is no slouch. But he’s also nowhere near the superstar Westbrook and
Love have become so quickly in their own careers.
In 2001, Washington selects Kwame Brown (#1) over Tyson Chandler (#2) and Pau
Gasol (#3) – It took Tyson Chandler a while to come into his own as a pro,
so it’s not like there were even immediate NBA results to show he was the
better pick. Gasol, however, was a good pro right away. That obviously would’
ve been the smarter pick for Michael Jordan and the Wizards.
In 1998, L.A. Clippers select Michael Olowokandi (#1) over Mike Bibby (#2),
Antawn Jamison (#4), and Vince Carter (#5) – At the time, Bibby was probably
the only guy who could’ve seriously warranted the #1 pick, but considering
what a bust the Kandi-Man was, Bibby would’ve easily been a more helpful
selection for the Clippers.
In 1985, Sacramento selects Joe Kleine (#6) over Chris Mullin (#7), Detlef
Schrempf (#8), and Charles Oakley (#9) – Unlike those situations where
several teams pass up on one good player, here we have an instance of several
teams getting good players after a painfully average one was selected. Mullin
could’ve easily been a King, but Schrempf or Oakley wouldn’t have been so
bad, either.
In 1997, five teams pick players before Toronto selected Tracy McGrady (#9),
including Antonio Daniels (Vancouver, #4), Tony Battie (Denver, #5), Ron
Mercer (Boston, #6), Tim Thomas (New Jersey, #7), and Adonal Foyle (Golden
State, #8) – McGrady showed enough promise leading up to the draft to
warrant a higher pick than #9, and clearly several teams regretted not taking
the gamble on the prep star.
In 1991, Sacramento selects Billy Owens (#3) over Dikembe Mutombo (#4) – One
of the greatest defensive players in league history, or a guy who averaged
11.7 points and 6.7 rebounds for his career? Seems like an obvious choice in
retrospect, but that’s sort of the theme with this article, isn’t it?
In 1987, New Jersey selects Dennis Hopson (#3) over Scottie Pippen (#5) and
Kevin Johnson (#7) – Hopson averaged 29 points as a senior at Ohio State,
but Pippen obviously proved to be a much better NBA player. Not that they
would’ve been selected third, but Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson and Horace
Grant were all available for the third pick in that draft, as well.
In 1983, Kansas City selects Ennis Whatley (#13) over Clyde Drexler (#14) –
The Kings must have thought they were doing the right thing taking Whatley
at #13, but instead of getting a Hall of Famer in Drexler, they ended up with
a journeyman who played for seven different teams (and the Kings were never
one of them, by the way). Wheatley even spent some of his “prime” years
playing in the Philippines. That late in the draft, it’s obviously going to
be hit or miss, but that’s a miss that stings pretty badly.
In 2009, Memphis selects Hasheem Thabeet (#2) over James Harden (#3) and
Ricky Rubio (#5) – Until a few weeks before the draft, Rubio had been
projected as the #2 pick for almost an entire year. He didn’t want to play
in Memphis, but Memphis should have drafted him anyway. Harden, of course,
has turned out to be the best player of the three, even though he never
really was much of a consideration for the second pick.
In 1978, five teams pass on Larry Bird (#6), including Portland (Mychal
Thompson, #1), Kansas City (Phil Ford, #2), Indiana (Rick Robey, #3), New
York (Michael Ray Richarson, #4), and Golden State (Purvis Short, #5) – Of
all these, Thompson had the most respectable career other than Bird, but
nobody else taken before Larry Legend came anywhere near the Hall of Fame
career he put together. Indiana at #3, for example, would’ve seemed like an
ideal landing spot for the Indiana boy, but the fact that no one knew whether
or not Bird would play his senior season turned a few teams off. Turns out he
took Indiana State to the NCAA Championship in1979, signed with Boston
shortly thereafter and the rest is history.
THE TOP FIVE:
#5 – In 2005, Atlanta selects Marvin Williams (#2) over Deron Williams (#3)
and Chris Paul (#4) – This one still stings Hawks fans, particularly because
Atlanta made this pick at the time with a gaping hole at point guard. Taking
Paul seemed like a no-brainer then, and it’s even more of one now. Williams
obviously would’ve been a better pick, as well, but just taking any point
guard would’ve been the practical decision. Instead, they took the kid who
didn’t even start for his college team, and Marvin has been average at best.
#4 – In 2007, Portland selects Greg Oden (#1) over Kevin Durant (#2) –
Durant is one of the two best players in the league right now at 23 years
old, and Oden is not only not on an NBA roster at the moment, but he hasn’t
played a single game since 2009. Portland never really wavered on who they’d
take with that #1 pick, but the media sure debated it in the weeks leading up
to the draft. Turns out all those folks who said they should’ve taken Durant
were right.
#3 – In 1996, twelve teams pass on Kobe Bryant (Charlotte, #13), including
Cleveland (Vitaly Potapenko at #12), Golden State (Todd Fuller at #11), and
perhaps most notably, New Jersey (Kerry Kittles, #8) – It’s easy to look at
the two picks before Kobe was finally selected and shake your head, but it’s
that Kittles pick at #8 that hurts the most because John Calipari, head coach
of the Nets at the time, really did want to take Bryant with that eighth
pick. Arn Tellum, Kobe’s agent, reportedly told Coach Cal that Kobe would
never play in Jersey, that he’d do pro ball in Italy if the Nets drafted
him. So he was scared into passing up on one of the ten best NBA players of
all time for the guy who wore one sock up and one sock down at Villanova. It
doesn’t seem fair, does it?
#2 – In 2003, Detroit selects Darko Milicic (#2) over Carmelo Anthony (#3),
Chris Bosh (#4), and Dwyane Wade (#5) – I want to start this by saying that
Bosh and Wade were never serious considerations to be selected with the
second overall pick, but they still get to be mentioned here because picks
3-5 ended up being so much better than Milicic that it’s comical. Anthony
was the second-best prospect in ‘03, but Detroit talked themselves out of it
because Tayshaun Prince had come on so strong early in his career. They didn’
t want to take another small forward, so they went big. Going big, in this
case at least, was the wrong choice.
#1 – In 1984, Portland selects Sam Bowie (#2) over Michael Jordan (#3) –
The ’84 Blazers were another team that wanted to go big, particularly
because they’d already gotten Clyde Drexler the year before. You really can’
t blame them for thinking they were set with a guy who would, in fact, become
a Hall of Fame shooting guard someday, but Jordan was so clearly better than
Sam Bowie that you’d have thought they’d find a way to make the two mesh.
At the very least, they could’ve drafted Jordan and perhaps found a trade
for Drexler. However you look at it, Bowie was a huge NBA bust, and MJ was
the greatest player ever to lace up. Draft mistakes don’t get much worse
than that.
While it’s possible that somebody from the 2012 NBA Draft finds himself on a
later iteration of this list, the fact is we just don’t know yet what kind
of pro someone like Harrison Barnes will be. Maybe he’ll end up the best
player of them all, better even than Anthony Davis. That probably won’t be
the case, but the unpredictability of the draft is part of what makes it so
fun. It’s a gamble, and every year teams make picks hoping they bet well.
Or, at the very least, they leave hoping they didn’t blow it.
What other teams and players deserve to be mentioned here? Are there other
stars who got passed up for lesser talents who deserve a shout-out? If so,
add your two cents in the comments section, and stay plugged into HOOPSWORLD
for all the latest draft chatter as we close in on June 28th.
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→ GianniC :No. 1最經典... 06/26 02:19
推 blur13 :Greg Oden 那年不太算吧 誰知道他這麼玻璃 06/26 02:19
推 savemylife :Oden不是能力不好 只是玻璃了點 06/26 02:20
推 Hsu1025 :阿舅馬後炮排行榜阿 06/26 02:20
→ savemylife :或者不該怪Oden 看看其他傷兵拓荒者要怪的是自己吧 06/26 02:21
推 KillerBest :活塞選小米莉那次不是戰過很多次嗎 那是有時空背景的 06/26 02:21
推 WindowsSlate:Oden不是玻璃了點 是阿拓有詛咒 06/26 02:21
推 bee12 :Sam Bowie一輩子這樣就值得了 06/26 02:21
推 kalfan1 :看了覺得很好笑 06/26 02:21
→ savemylife :KD:謝謝Oden 不然我被阿拓選到搞不好也.... 06/26 02:22
→ white75724 :馬後炮排行榜 06/26 02:23
推 KKyosuke :1983那個怎麼不順便拿前12個來鞭 只鞭#13...XD 06/26 02:23
推 bee12 :1984選Sam Bowie滿合理的 前一年選了Drexler 06/26 02:24
推 chinhan1216 :而非榜眼Carmelo Anthony 榜眼應該改成探花? 06/26 02:25
已修正 感謝!
推 GianniC :96年人才濟濟 Nash都擠到15了 Kobe的順位真的還好 06/26 02:25
→ ko373328 :是阿括不會養人。不是不會選秀 06/26 02:26
推 Conpana :阿拓:幹 是要被鞭幾次 06/26 02:26
推 bee12 :黃金96 06/26 02:26
→ GianniC :我覺得選Oden根本沒錯 只是運氣不好.. 06/26 02:26
推 ppc2t2 :1997那個應該沒那麼糟吧 06/26 02:26
推 gordon27 :所以說是馬後砲啊 06/26 02:27
推 savemylife :如果Kaman明年去熱火 03梯前六順位的五個就可以在同 06/26 02:27
→ gordon27 :很多選秀在當時看沒那麼糟 但畢竟大部分新秀還是要養 06/26 02:27
→ GianniC :我覺得錯過MJ 很多老闆應該捶心肝吧... 06/26 02:27
→ savemylife :一隊了(JA你就假扮一下甜瓜吧) 06/26 02:27
→ GianniC :看看公牛在MJ身上撈了多少... 06/26 02:27
推 mabirex :2008年.. 06/26 02:28
推 LBJ23 :見證了2~4名 此生無憾 06/26 02:28
→ wilson9221 :Kobe那時不是也有喊話說布是某隊會不簽約,順位往後 06/26 02:29
→ wilson9221 :是可預期的吧 06/26 02:29
推 hihi29 :馬後砲排行榜 根本是結果論 沒有考慮到當時時空背景 06/26 02:30
推 pttfft :Greg Oden真的很可惜 沒受傷得話 魔獸哪來得第一中鋒 06/26 02:30
推 otsuka123 :球團不敢賭高中生是正常 06/26 02:30
推 GianniC :Oden的傷 真的是很難預期... 06/26 02:30
※ 編輯: loed 來自: 61.231.245.31 (06/26 02:31)
推 LBJ23 :====第一名: 2007五支球隊有眼不識Yi Jianlian===== 06/26 02:30
→ savemylife :但簽下Kobe的黃蜂 還不是馬上把他交易出去了 XD 06/26 02:31
→ otsuka123 :除非是身材超好的內線,不然很少前幾順位賭下去 06/26 02:31
→ GianniC :我只能說 阿拓的風水不對 選中鋒要多考慮... 06/26 02:31
推 gordon27 :聽說是選秀前就談好要把Kobe交易到湖人 06/26 02:32
推 savemylife :湖人當年是要清薪資嗎? 不然以Divac交易前後的成績 06/26 02:34
→ savemylife :來看 湖人拿他去換回一個高中生也挺有勇氣的 06/26 02:34
推 LBJ23 :有一說是Jerry West看過Kobe練球就決定要他了 06/26 02:35
推 love3344 :喬丹不是狀元哦 我都不知道= =" 06/26 02:35
→ LBJ23 :但我覺得滿馬後砲 應該只是要準備簽大歐 06/26 02:35
推 siriusorion :原文有說啊 籃網本來要選kobe 但kobe說與其去籃網 06/26 02:36
→ LBJ23 :清薪資 順便把C留給大歐打 06/26 02:36
→ siriusorion :不如回義大利打義大利職籃 06/26 02:36
→ LBJ23 :沒想到換到寶 06/26 02:36
推 GianniC :說真的 Divac可以換的對象相當多 會挑到Kobe 06/26 02:38
推 white75724 :如果給像太陽這種醫龍對選到 阿拓那兩隻搞不好殺爆 06/26 02:38
→ GianniC :只能說Kobe也有吸引人之處 06/26 02:38
→ white75724 :NBA 根本不是選秀的問題 06/26 02:38
推 MontaEllis8 :MLB這種養人更重要的運動 第一輪最後有一半人間蒸發 06/26 02:40
推 hssz :No.4不算錯誤吧,如果Oden沒傷,給我再選我還是選他 06/26 02:41
推 GianniC :一個12.9分 8.6籃板的中鋒 拿來換一個高中生 06/26 02:42
→ gordon27 :所以都是馬後砲啊 很多當時選都還算合理 但結果不好 06/26 02:42
→ GianniC :我覺得湖人應該也是很看中Kobe吧... 06/26 02:42
推 Allenichiro :96年哪叫全部都失誤 06/26 02:43
推 savemylife :其實不識Kobe只是開玩笑 那年前面順位選的也是AI、 06/26 02:45
→ savemylife :Camby、馬大少、RayGun、蛋皮等等 也是一時之選 06/26 02:46
推 jasonkau :湖人那時候就是要清薪資給歐肥 然後剛好Kobe又放話說 06/26 02:46
推 MrHeat :KG還可以扛C扛得有模有樣 健康的Oden不知道多可怕! 06/26 02:47
→ jasonkau :有人攔胡就不會報到 不然當初籃網前十順位就想選了 06/26 02:47
推 savemylife :所以阿拓到底什麼時候要把球場地板挖開打掃一下? 06/26 02:48
推 ohmygod0707 :NO.3前面順位也都可怕的跟鬼一樣...有算選錯? 06/26 02:50
推 savemylife :NO.3的原文不是寫12支球隊沒選Kobe 作者也只是挑那 06/26 02:52
→ savemylife :些最後打得不太理想的球隊來說 不然前有AI、Camby 06/26 02:53
→ savemylife :時 誰真的需要去挑到Kobe啊... 06/26 02:54
推 wade6 :怎麼沒有1989第二順位選了Danny Ferry 06/26 02:54
→ wade6 :雖說Ferry之前在杜克很威 還保有單場58分紀錄 06/26 02:55
推 jasonkau :Kobe那時候還是個高中生 而且蠻瘦的 外線也不太行 06/26 02:55